I don't remember if we ever reached a concrete conclusion of this or if nothing ever came of it, but I feel the need to bring it up again: Should the livestreams be considered separate from live action episodes? I always found it strange that, whatever the reason, they were included in it, despite basically being their own genre of videos.
The ones that he's doing nothing for 20 minutes with facecam and then plays? In my perspective, these are not live action, because there's no "action". Not something that has a script with a scene, just a part of the pre-gameplay procedures. I also have problem counting some of them as regular gameplay, naturally because there's more than 2-3 games.
Exactly. I never wanted to shoehorn livestreams as just a series of standard Let's Plays since, like I said, due to their unique format, livestreams are basically their own kind of video genre, and should be treated as such. I am proposing that a new navigation (subsequently, a new infobox)be created specifically for livestreams.
But if this happens, I should mention a snag: What if a livestream, such as the Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy episode HAPPY 4th OF JULY!!, is an official episode of a game? Well, in that case, it should be counted as exactly what it is: a livestream and a Let's Play. In other words, how about double navigation?
(shamwow? shoehorn? autocorrect?) Guess why I made the MEpisode template, will try to improve it over some multi-game stream, if I don't forget.
But I don't see what needs to be changed with HAPPY 4th OF JULY!!, it's a regular episode (sure, talking to chat sometimes) with Category:Livestreams attached, can't think of adding anything new.
If by navigation you mean making "previous stream - next stream" section, I can think about that. There will be a full list of streams though. The problem would be Twitch streams, that are obviously not on Youtube.
We've never added Twitch materials to the Wiki, beside Charity (which really needs to be updated). I don't know how to navigate with them, as they can't be added to List of Videos. Also some of the streams were not saved and deleted 2 weeks after broadcast, but many survived.
Some time ago I mentioned the possibility of a family tree that either you or NGTV stated would fit on the Fischbach family category page. Are you still on board with that, and, if so, any ideas on how to make it?
How did you originally find this wiki and what compelled you to make it what it is today?
1. The information about Mark's family isn't public. Well, it is on the internet, but we're sticking nose into private matters. I'm 100% sure that the known family tree is accurate, but until Mark outloud names his father, this may be dangerous.
2. I can't fully remember, it was over a year since I was subscribed, so I wanted to do something tribute-like, and found this site, that looked like it was filled with cobwebs, so I just took it. It was summer, around time when I was finishing school, so I didn't really have better things to do at the time.
Just went and fixed that for Bob, (though, I wonder if it's better to just replace Bob (Surgeon Simulator) with link to the game). If somebody appears with any names we know, which is still a low possibility, that sure would require an quick fix.
What is the purpose of having a category for "games played on livestream"? We already list specific videos that were streamed live, what's the purpose of listing a specific game? Gaming categories should predominantly revolve around the type of game Mark played for the sake of easier navigation.
We agreed for their prominent names. IDK about Bob and Wade, I suggested for Thomas and Tyler because Mark collaborated with similarly named individuals. I suggest naming Jack's category Jacksepticeye since there's also JacksFilms; so that we can easily tell them apart.
I don't really mind continuing this topic, but it will need more arguments.
I don't know of anyone else named Tyler or Ethan (or at least someone who collaborates with Mark as often as them) that could get confused with Tyler and Ethan. If you can think of someone who does, then by all means, tell me.
If not, then I think it unnecessary to include their full names.
Oh, that.. 'Twas tinkering with the source code on multiple wikis' main pages (including this one) to make a main page for this wiki I semi-recently was granted adminship of. I think I hit publish because I didn't want to close the tab, not seeing I changed something. Did it do anything noticeable?
Has the Markiplier Wiki ever been featured on Mark's channel or mentioned by him, or one of his friends? I ask because the Game Theorists Wiki was recently featured on GTLive (MatPat's livestream gaming archive channel), and I was wondering if anything like that has ever happened to this wiki.
Edit: I was also wondering if the "Vlog Videos" category could be renamed to simply "Vlogs". Having "Videos" added to it is simply pointless.
I mean, we have another game (I forgot its title) that was in video that was technically live action that was part of Markiplier's 12 Days of Christmas that was counted.
It can only be considered live action because it is a video of them playing a card game, therefore it is presented in a format that is reminiscent of a live action video. They are recording themselves playing a game, and that is enough criteria for it to be counted as a one-off Let's Play instead of a live action video.
While on the subject, I wanted to bring this up: should we start including "games by year" categories, like we do for videos? I think that, since the "List of Games" is formatted the same (by year) as "List of Videos", it only makes sense to categorize "2012 Games", "2013 Games", and so on.
It's probably live action, because it's not a videogame footage, but it's not technically "action"... I'd say table games can be One-off, because there can be several episodes for them, and it's a game anyway.
Mark played Cards Against Humanity earlier in WHO'S THE WORST PERSON. He also played other similair games, like TableTop, Superfight, Million Dollars But, think there can be a category for Card Games.
Well sure, though many games, like Rust, will have several years then. What will NewGen say on that?
So, what does the CAH amount to then? He's played other types of games that are neither board nor video games, mostly related to some type of physical activity. He's played CAH before, as you've stated, but it's in a video game form.
Gaming years are unnecessary, video ones are larger and have more ambiguous titles that can easily get mistaken, such categories are in place so that we have more consistency when browsing through them. It's much easier to view list of games than it is with the videos. We can create categories for types of games, like we do with Survival Horror Games: such as shooters, platformers, simulators, sand box, etc (might need to rework some of their titles).
I didn't see it was listed under the game information, but the fact that almost every single article lists the same thing "it's a game played by Markiplier" and nothing more, is rather so bland. Some of them don't even have a proper game summary.
Hm hm... I just see Board games as One-off and everything else you can't buy in stores as Live Action. But he also made many gameplay videos that later was him in the park with audience. Sounds as there should be a mix, like "TITLE is the one-off episode of GAME played by Markiplier, GUEST and GUEST, including live action elements." or something like that.
Not sure how to do it, but it's definitely not a standard video game. I'm for moving it to live-action episodes. Any particular order we can do this or maybe create a whole separate standard for live-action games?
I can simply add new type to new template, it can say "WE ARE THE WORST KIND OF PEOPLE is a live action episode of Cards Against Humanity played by Markiplier, featuring Tyler, and Ethan.", have same fields as LiveAction template, but with a Game section.
I suggest labeling them as board games or something, since he has done a lot of non video game activities, and it's too ambiguous if we don't specify what it is. Should they be added to game navigation like we do with the rest of them? You should also add automatic category to the template when listing board games so that we can distinguish them.
I was refering to Disco Discomfort, Quick, Draw! and Cards of Cthulhu, which are also part gameplay part live action, so board games probably can count as such, Live&Play? As for categories, they can use both One-off Videos and Live Action Videos.
So either create a new infobox or expand on one of the already-existing ones. I agree on the "EPISOSE TITLE is a live action episode and f game played by Markiplier and friends" pre-header description (or whatever it's called).
And yes, as they are games, they should be included in game navigation.
If you mean "← previous" and "next →" links, I don't know, as almost all of them are still not in the playlists. Probably same as One-Off, as I feel it is more gameplay featuring live-action elements, than live action episode with some games.
Btw, NewGen, it was already decided that the category would be "Videos featuring Ethan", but I will state the reasons again: anyone who is a fan of Markiplier would know who Ethan is, and if not, a link to his page is in the article. It simply makes the category title unnecessarily long.
That's rather redundant, given that this is a wiki and we're not expecting people to know them right off the bat, which defeats the entire purpose of its existence. Being a fan doesn't qualify you to automatically know them because you watch a particular user. I've watched Mark when Tyler was a prominent figure back in 2012/13 and many of his never fans starting from 2014 didn't knew who he was up until recently. It's not by any means unnecessarily long given that we have one for Tyler as well, I originally left it as Ethan, but saw we did the same for Tyler.
Another example would be people who are no longer active as much with Mark, such as Yamimash, Matt Watson and Ryan Magee (they have their own thing, but they are no longer frequent guests as they once were).
Not sure what you're referring to. If you mean has someone called him that mid video, then I doubt it, since I don't pay attention to it, though no one calls each other by their last names, so I don't see how does it matter.
@Suminoma Shouldn't the two categories, co-op videos and collaborations, be unified in a single one since they're alternating non-stop (used in the same manner)? We don't distinguish the two and they pretty much mean the same thing.
No, collaborations are labeled separately on another template. This is why I suggested swapping it for collaborations, since it'll automatically swap others, and we have collaborations category inserted elsewhere as well.
It serves the same purpose as it has been doing: being a category for all of Markiplier's collaborations. The "videos featuring [wah]" categories simply go into more detail, listing all collaborations between Mark and a single other person. Think of it as a parallel to the "Games" category including all games Mark has played, and each genre category going into more detail, listing all games of a specific genre or other characteristic that Mark has played (like survival horror, for example).
It no longer serves any particular purpose given that we're gonna add categories for each featured individual. At this point, it just serves as a placeholder until we add additional categories. Like co-op videos, it doesn't really distinguish it from the rest.
Well, that's the difference. Each category has a sub-category. The collaboration tab doesn't differentiate of what type of video it is. It's pretty much the same thing with other parties involved. Such categories as games and videos already split the difference between each other and are then divided further into sub-categories.
What about the "Rage Games" category? We've mostly removed all miscellaneous categories, such as "EVER Videos", should we remove this one as well? The idea came to mind since it's not easily defined and people group other random games with this bundle. Mark sometimes exaggerates his reaction for comedic effect and is legitimately mad in other scenarios, like his playthrough of Super Mario Maker.
Which between what? I've already had an idea to address it back to episode tags. This category serves no purpose if Mark rages only on specific moments, while he's being loud in majority of this career.
That makes sense, though we'd literally have to rewatch some of these to know which specific videos we're referring to, and it's kind of difficult, given that these moments occur for a minute in a half hour episode each.
Seeing as Tabletop Simulator is a Gmod map (correct me if I'm wrong on that), it wouldn't have the "is the live action episode of [...]" in the video article.
I'm now starting to doubt if the "is the live action episode of" is really needed. If it is to be kept, then it would obviously be "is the 1st live action episode of". But I'm starting to think that it's a little redundant. I'm all for keeping the Live Action category, but keeping it as "is the 1st live action episode of Cards Against Humanity..." just seems, again, redundant.
...except when they are playing a game. That's why I suggested removing the "live action" bit from the pre-header text. There are multiple episode for the same game, so, really, "WE ARE THE WORST KINDS OF PEOPLE is the 1st episode of Cards Against Humanity played by Markiplier, featuring Tyler Schied and Ethan Nestor." is all that's needed. Live action or not, it's still a gameplay video, even if not in the traditional sense of the word.
The main page still appears obscured pending on what resolution you're looking at: Note thesetwo examples. Any ways to fix it or at least narrow the left side's banner so that the add doesn't push down the page's content?
I need to check how other wikis do that, they use pre-installed mainpage-leftcolumn-start and mainpage-rightcolumn-start for this.
Remember family tree I posted? We almost sure who his father is for several reason. And though most of the info on page is valid, I need to see where Sunok Chi Fischbach comes from, because it will be Mark's mother.
There is record on Sunok Chi Fischbach, also born 1964, also living in Ohio, in the same house where Mark is registered in. But currently married to Larry J Frank. I don't trust auto-generated info collectors, but that's an interesting detail to have a note for. But not in article space, because we don't have sources.
Info about Cliffton however, Mark told his grand-grand-mother's name, so we have clear connections in his family. We have public artciles (and not mentioned auto resources) about him, so there are some info that's not private, but some info require digging into. So I'd say leaving the article (everyone knows it's him anyway), and re-write to show only known facts.
I keep forgetting, does Mark have a playlist for his live action videos like MARKIPLIER BLOOPERS 2016? If not, then I'll just add "None" to the video playlist's section.
Sidenote: I actually remember someone posting a video on Mark's whereabouts, he somehow figured out where he lived based on his surroundings. Also, did you know that someone spotted Amy's reflection in one of Mark's videos before she even made an official appearance? I'm just putting it out there how obsessive some of these people can be.
I was ready to laugh, but there are sources. Which all of them are Ancestry headers? not even links, plus one link that's not loading. Don't know why Grandfather is there though, like Mark has ever referenced him, we're not collecting all his family historical records. Can't check his sources till tomorrow, but if he wants this collection so badly, and admire the effort, user's own Userpages are free for everything.
I've given him a temporary ban for posting unsourced information and lack of proper communication. This is digging too much into someone's background, not to mention that we can't even fact check most of these.